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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 15:10 pm    Post subject: VAC 2 Reply with quote

Enligt Fragbite (http://www.fragbite.com/?newsID=7989) kommer det att komma VAC 2 till bland annat 1.6 Smile

Vad tror och tycker ni om detta?

Jag tycker att det låter skitbra! Det lär bli det bästa anticheatet i iaf några månader Smile Skulle gärna se det på maffia sen när det kommer..

I vilket fall hoppas jag att "maffialedningen" håller koll på detta och verkligen ser möjligheten i ett nytt vac! Vore DRÖMMEN, för mig iaf, om det kastades in här, som sagt.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 16:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jopp, vi har koll på det.
Men. Vac2 jobbar på servern, inte hos klienterna (spelarnas datorer), därför drar det mkt mer cpu-kraft. Och där är problemet, risk för lagg och sådant finns, men självklart kommer vi att utvärdera detta, när det väl kommer. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 16:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vi håller oss ajour. Just nu så är det svårt att säga något, men visst verkar det lovande.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 16:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VAC2 är dessvärre inte mycket bättre än VAC om man ska döma av de artiklar so finns på nätet om det Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 17:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mts wrote:
VAC2 är dessvärre inte mycket bättre än VAC om man ska döma av de artiklar so finns på nätet om det Sad

De har fortfarande tid att ordna med nytt bra skydd.
En enkel lösning vore att skapa MD5/SHA-hashar för alla binärer/dll-filer, och sedan göra en kontroll av dessa när man ansluter.

Skulle tippa på att detta kommer vara en av de nya skydden, då Valve i sitt forum snackar om att man kommer att bli bannad ifall man gör ändringar på .exe, .dll filer.

Sedan så kommer ju faktiskt en räddnnig i nya Windows, Longhorn, lite längre fram, då det i praktiken kommer vara omöjligt att sabba med applikationer. Wink Vive-la-dot-Net?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 17:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

magnus wrote:
mts wrote:
VAC2 är dessvärre inte mycket bättre än VAC om man ska döma av de artiklar so finns på nätet om det Sad

De har fortfarande tid att ordna med nytt bra skydd.
En enkel lösning vore att skapa MD5/SHA-hashar för alla binärer/dll-filer, och sedan göra en kontroll av dessa när man ansluter.

Skulle tippa på att detta kommer vara en av de nya skydden, då Valve i sitt forum snackar om att man kommer att bli bannad ifall man gör ändringar på .exe, .dll filer.

Hitta filkontrollen, skriv en textfil med info om vad filerna bör ha för MD5/SHA och sänd den infon istället så har du klarat även den kontrollen. Det har gjorts förr på andra program och spel, tror inte att valve kan revolutionera världen dessvärre. Uppdaterar de sitt fuskskydd bättre som unitedadmins har gjort skulle de kanske kunna bli bättre, men det är nog inget som står högt upp på att-göra-listan är jag rädd.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 17:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mts wrote:
magnus wrote:
mts wrote:
VAC2 är dessvärre inte mycket bättre än VAC om man ska döma av de artiklar so finns på nätet om det Sad

De har fortfarande tid att ordna med nytt bra skydd.
En enkel lösning vore att skapa MD5/SHA-hashar för alla binärer/dll-filer, och sedan göra en kontroll av dessa när man ansluter.

Skulle tippa på att detta kommer vara en av de nya skydden, då Valve i sitt forum snackar om att man kommer att bli bannad ifall man gör ändringar på .exe, .dll filer.

Hitta filkontrollen, skriv en textfil med info om vad filerna bör ha för MD5/SHA och sänd den infon istället så har du klarat även den kontrollen. Det har gjorts förr på andra program och spel, tror inte att valve kan revolutionera världen dessvärre. Uppdaterar de sitt fuskskydd bättre som unitedadmins har gjort skulle de kanske kunna bli bättre, men det är nog inget som står högt upp på att-göra-listan är jag rädd.

Äh, kontrollen görs ju inte mot grejer lokalt, som är skrivbart, såklart. Utan mot centrala servrar som Valve har ståendes. Precis som Tripwire-konceptet. Hash-databasen ligger på skyddat media.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 17:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

magnus wrote:
mts wrote:
magnus wrote:
mts wrote:
VAC2 är dessvärre inte mycket bättre än VAC om man ska döma av de artiklar so finns på nätet om det Sad

De har fortfarande tid att ordna med nytt bra skydd.
En enkel lösning vore att skapa MD5/SHA-hashar för alla binärer/dll-filer, och sedan göra en kontroll av dessa när man ansluter.

Skulle tippa på att detta kommer vara en av de nya skydden, då Valve i sitt forum snackar om att man kommer att bli bannad ifall man gör ändringar på .exe, .dll filer.

Hitta filkontrollen, skriv en textfil med info om vad filerna bör ha för MD5/SHA och sänd den infon istället så har du klarat även den kontrollen. Det har gjorts förr på andra program och spel, tror inte att valve kan revolutionera världen dessvärre. Uppdaterar de sitt fuskskydd bättre som unitedadmins har gjort skulle de kanske kunna bli bättre, men det är nog inget som står högt upp på att-göra-listan är jag rädd.

Äh, kontrollen görs ju inte mot grejer lokalt, som är skrivbart, såklart. Utan mot centrala servrar som Valve har ståendes. Precis som Tripwire-konceptet. Hash-databasen ligger på skyddat media.

stackars servrar med tanke på hur många kontroller som kommer behöva göras Smile
http://www.steambans.com/news.php?id=1296
där står rätt intressanta saker imo

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 17:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tja, nog har Valve råd med att slänga upp ett par speglade servrar och medföljande gigabit-länk. Det hade räckt bra. Det är ju inga enorma mängder med data som ska skickas fram och tillbaka. Ifall de endast skyddar nyckel-binärer och dll-er, så har de försvårat fuskandet mycket.

Jo, jag har läst det. En ganska fet diss till VAC2, men vad vet de. Jag är en obotlig optimist, och tror att Valve kommer att dra fram något bra kort ur ärmen. Det behövs helt klart ett nytänkande för att tackla fusken. Som min brillianta idé (C). Eheh. Surprised

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 17:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brilliant you are my dear bitch! Very Happy
jag tror mer på C-D än VAC... bättre erfarenheter Smile

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Vi väntar och bider våran tid.. lucky lucky lucky!!! Surprised Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 18:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cat wrote:
Jopp, vi har koll på det.
Men. Vac2 jobbar på servern, inte hos klienterna (spelarnas datorer), därför drar det mkt mer cpu-kraft. Och där är problemet, risk för lagg och sådant finns, men självklart kommer vi att utvärdera detta, när det väl kommer. Smile


Jo, självklart är serverkapaciteten en grejj som man ska väga in, för lagg vill vi inte ha Smile

Men det låter bra gubbar, skönt att detta inte kom som nån nyhet för er! keep it up Smile
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