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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 13:15 pm    Post subject: DURIDS DOWN! Reply with quote

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- World of Warcraft PTR Patch 2.0.10
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Druids
- The rage normalization equation has been adjusted to grant more rage.
The typical player should see an increase of 15% to 20% in their
rage generation.
- When the duration of "Cyclone" ends, area buffs such as "Leader of
the Pack", "Tree of Life", and "Moonkin" will now be correctly
resumed.
- "Feral Charge" now removes all snaring effects.
- "Bear Form" now grants 25% increased stamina instead of 25% increased
health.
- "Dire Bear Form" now grants 25% increased stamina instead of 25%
increased health. In addition, the armor bonus has been reduced from
450% to 400%.
- The multiplier on base weapon damage for "Mangle (Bear)" ability has
been changed from 130% to 100%. In addition, the bonus damage has
been reduced by the same ratio.
- "Savage Fury" no longer affects "Mangle (Bear)".
- "Savage Fury" no longer applies to "Maul" or "Swipe".
- The critical damage bonus on "Predatory Instincts" reduced from
3/6/9/12/15% to 2/4/6/8/10%.
- "Improved Leader of the Pack" can no longer get critical heals.
- The armor bonus from "Moonkin Form



Quote:
All stats completely unbuffed in bear form:
LIVE:
HP: 11992
Stam: 616
Armor: 21626
Reduction from armor: 67.20%

PTR:
HP: 11124
Stam: 769
Armor: 19716
Reduction from armor: 65.13%


MAUL: (note this is with Idol of Brutality)
Tested unbuffed in gear below, bear form, on normal Talbuk Stags in Nagrand near Shattrath (level 64). All mobs were afflicted with faerie fire (max rank at 70)
LIVE: Out of 20 mauls: average is 510 per maul, crits for 1200.
PTR: Out of 20 mauls: average is 380 per maul, crits for 830


SWIPE: (note that this is with Idol of Brutatlity)
Same test as above:
LIVE: Out of 20 swipes: average is 188, crits for 433
PTR: Out of 20 swipes: average is 110, crits for 200

MANGLE:
Same test as above:
LIVE: Out of 20 mangles: average is 570, crits for 1360
PTR: Out of 20 mangles: average is 350, crits for 740


So overall hp,amor fine - phew :S

But tanking wise it's over - our main aggro the dmg is gone

Couldn't they just have had the warriors buffed instead of nerfing us again into oblivion

We will need to use our Sunder (Lacerate) now more often which makes us even more useless in Karazhan because 90% of the mobs are immune \o/


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 13:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Druids behövde en nerf.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 18:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Om jag inte missminner mig så grinade de flesta om hur mycket armor och hp en druid kan få, inte så mycket om skadan som man kan göra. PvE nreffe till största delen även om mangle i bearform och crits overall kommer att minska i skada. Som Gramner sa, detta behövdes!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 21:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hållar jag verkligen med om - sa aldrig något om det i posten så Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Verkar vara vettiga sänkningar men än så länge är det PTR, justeringar kan ju förekomma. Druid-tank-nybörjare får det svårt (svårare).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vill eg inte skriva för mycket innan jag testat det själv - men preliminärt.

Armour/hp sänkningen - Stör mig in _så_ mycket. klarar mig ändå.

(Min druid ligger för närvarande på 25500 armour, och har betydligt bättre grejer än den som testat i den posten där)

Threat däremot. Druider som tankar lättare instancer (shadowlabs/mech/SV) där man kan tanka i delvis kattgear har kunnat ligga på nästan samma dps som den riktiga dpsklasserna. Det är naturligtsvis inte bra. Björnen ska inte vara en dps maskin. Den ska vara en tank.

Nerfen till skadan är helt ok. MEN druiderna MÅSTE få tillbaka sina + threat multiplyers på maul och swipe när skadan nerfas. Jag kommer fortfarande att kunna tanka med lacerate, men ghosts, elementals, allt some är immune to bleed, kommer jag antagligen inte att kunna hålla aggro på.

(Vad gäller tank erfarenheter så har jag tankat det mesta, från allt i mc/nästan allt i bwl (ej neffy pga druidshoutet), och en hel del i aq40., så jag har rätt bra koll på läget)


Sen undrar jag fortfarande när nerfen på locks kommer Sad gick in i en eye of the storm igår, hade kvar buffarna fråns senaste raiden så hade nästan 15 k hp i bear. Stöter på en warlock. han äter igenom mina 15 k hp innan fearen släpper. Sad

//dyring

**Råkade ta "EDIT" istf "quote" på dyrings inlägg, oops Wink Men allt ska vara som innan nu. //Lathund

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nerfen till skadan är helt ok. MEN druiderna MÅSTE få tillbaka sina + threat multiplyers på maul och swipe när skadan nerfas. Jag kommer fortfarande att kunna tanka med lacerate, men ghosts, elementals, allt some är immune to bleed, kommer jag antagligen inte att kunna hålla aggro på.


Precis. Jag bryr mig inte alls om att skadan på främst Mangle är lägre, det behövdes. Men det jag inte kan förstå är varför man inte går tillbaka till hur det var innan TBC: Dvs rätt låg skada i Bear, men mycket threat. Jag vet inte hur det är på andra servers, men på Kazzak är det redan nu ganska ont om Warriors, och speciellt ont om Warriors som vill tanka. Vanligare att man gör instanser med druider and warriors, så undrar hur det blir nu.

Nu är jag själv visserligen Resto (Då jag efter all denna tid som Holypriest nog är lätt hjärnskadad, hatar att vara gimped healer. Plus att jag tycker tanking är tråååkigt) så jag drabbas ju bara indirekt av nerfen, men fortf tråkigt Sad Får ju de pengar och den tid jag fortfarande lägger ner på att hålla mitt tankgear i bra skick (Outdoor bosses, offtanking ibland även i Kara) att kännas lite bortslösade.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dyring wrote:

(Min druid ligger för närvarande på 25500 armour, och har betydligt bättre grejer än den som testat i den posten där)


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 17:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Druider fick en hotfix direkt Razz

We have implemented the following two hotfixes:

* The Druid ability Lacerate will now land a small amount of instant damage, causing it to generate threat against bleed-immune creatures.
* The Druid ability Mangle (Bear) will now generate 50% bonus threat.

The reasons for this are:

1. Lacerate will now do a small amount of direct damage to the target. This means it will generate threat rather than an immune message when used on bleed-immune creatures. However, bleed-immune creatures will still not receive the debuff from Lacerate. This should address concerns about Druids being able to tank in specific bleed-immune encounters.

2. Mangle (Bear) now generates 50% bonus threat on its damage. We realized that in reducing Mangle damage, we made it less useful as a snap aggro tool. This threat bonus moves it back up to almost where it was before the 2.0.10 changes.

In addition, we examined concerns about the best Feral Druid armor pieces being outdoor world quest rewards, and Druids feeling their tanking ability would not scale with better gear. We are adjusting superior and epic leather pieces designed to be used by Bear Druids and increasing the armor on many of those items, particularly raid sets. These changes, however, will not show up until patch 2.1.0.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 23:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typiskt Blizzard att nerfa och buffa saker fram och tillbaka, kan de inte testa sakerna ordentligt från början istället?
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