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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 18:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alltså, min hertz på skärmen borde inte spela någon roll eftersom jag har stängt av v-synk. När jag stängde av v-synk förut så fick jag direkt 100 fps, vilken hertz jag än hade på skärmen...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 19:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[KACFM]Simone wrote:
Freezer wrote:

ONTOPIC: du kan få 100 fps med v-sync på (eller av ovkså om du vill det) genom att högerklicka på counter-strike i games i steam, välja properties, Launch options, och i rutan som kommer upp skriva in -freq 100

Testade det där, och bilden i cs blev mindre så att den inte upptog hela skärmen, dessutom blev den svart när jag bytte upplösning till 1024...


ok... har aldrig varit med om några problem med det förut.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 0:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Att säga att ögat ser saker som en smet är väl en fin omskrivning för att säga att det inte fungerar exakt som en kamera. Det är inte en serie bilder av en fast upplösning som levereras till hjärnan, utan en kontinuerlig ström. Det är ett väldigt analogt system

Dock så finns det en gräns för snabba uppdateringar ögat kan uppfatta, och även en maximal upplösning, där vi inte längre kan uppfatta enskilda bildpunkter.

När det gäller antal uppdateringar så beror det helt på vad man tittar på. Är det ett fluffigt moln som sakta seglar förbi behövs det inte många fps för att man inte ska kunna urskilja enskilda "frames". Snackar man dock en horisontell panorering över ett vertikalt mönster, typ ett tätt staket med stark kontrast mellan staketets färg och bakgrundfärgen behövs det många fps för att det ska se mjukt ut. Det finns m.a.o ingen fast siffra för hur många fps ögat uppfattar. Det handlar dock om betydligt mer än 25-30.

På bio är filmen i 25fps, och sen har man en "snurra" framför projektorn som gör att det ser ut som man byter bild fast man visar samma bild två gånger. Man "fuskar" alltså upp fps:en till 50. Det i kombination med att bio är rätt suddigt gör att det ser mjukt ut.

De flesta datorspel är väldigt skarpa och har snabba rörelser, därför är det inte konstigt att folk märker skillnad mellan 60 och 100 fps.

När det gäller maxupplösning så äro de lärde oense, men jag hörde om någon forskare som hävdade att det var runt 300 dpi (en vanlig datorskärm har 72 dpi). Jag tycker det låter rätt rimligt..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 0:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tack så hämskt mycket _marauder! Nu klurade du ut en del för mig men skapade dubbelt så många nya kluringar Smile.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saibot wrote:
Tack så hämskt mycket _marauder! Nu klurade du ut en del för mig men skapade dubbelt så många nya kluringar Smile.


Det är ett intressant ämne, och det finns massor att läsa om det. Det är bara att hugga in i litteraturen Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vafaen :/ nu har jag begått ett jävla misstag? Jag hade ju föfan kollat om v-synkk va av i 3 program? huuh? nu går jag in och ser att den står på
"normalt på"
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 16:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

_marauder wrote:
Att säga att ögat ser saker som en smet är väl en fin omskrivning för att säga att det inte fungerar exakt som en kamera. Det är inte en serie bilder av en fast upplösning som levereras till hjärnan, utan en kontinuerlig ström. Det är ett väldigt analogt system

Dock så finns det en gräns för snabba uppdateringar ögat kan uppfatta, och även en maximal upplösning, där vi inte längre kan uppfatta enskilda bildpunkter.

När det gäller antal uppdateringar så beror det helt på vad man tittar på. Är det ett fluffigt moln som sakta seglar förbi behövs det inte många fps för att man inte ska kunna urskilja enskilda "frames". Snackar man dock en horisontell panorering över ett vertikalt mönster, typ ett tätt staket med stark kontrast mellan staketets färg och bakgrundfärgen behövs det många fps för att det ska se mjukt ut. Det finns m.a.o ingen fast siffra för hur många fps ögat uppfattar. Det handlar dock om betydligt mer än 25-30.

På bio är filmen i 25fps, och sen har man en "snurra" framför projektorn som gör att det ser ut som man byter bild fast man visar samma bild två gånger. Man "fuskar" alltså upp fps:en till 50. Det i kombination med att bio är rätt suddigt gör att det ser mjukt ut.

De flesta datorspel är väldigt skarpa och har snabba rörelser, därför är det inte konstigt att folk märker skillnad mellan 60 och 100 fps.

När det gäller maxupplösning så äro de lärde oense, men jag hörde om någon forskare som hävdade att det var runt 300 dpi (en vanlig datorskärm har 72 dpi). Jag tycker det låter rätt rimligt..


Man kan alltid lita på att _marauder reder ut begreppen! Smile

Kanske ska tillägga att dpi står för dots per inch, om jag inte missminner mig (det har ju hänt förrut Rolling Eyes ). dpi = punkter per tum. 1 tum ~ 2.54 cm.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 16:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

_marauder wrote:
(en vanlig datorskärm har 72 dpi)

stämmer inte riktigt... eller... de kanske har så många punkter, men de flesta har nog iaf tätare pixlar.

1600x1200 på 19" CRT (18" synligt) = 111 pixlar/tum
1280x960 på 19" CRT = 89 pixlar/tum
1280x960 på 17" CRT (16" synligt?) = 100 pixlar/tum
1024x??? på 17" CRT = 80 pixlar/tum

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 22:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

San! wrote:
vafaen :/ nu har jag begått ett jävla misstag? Jag hade ju föfan kollat om v-synkk va av i 3 program? huuh? nu går jag in och ser att den står på
"normalt på"
ist för
"alltid av"
:S :S
Kanske börjar bli senil?


När man installerar nya drivers så nollställs alla ändringar man gjort, så däri låg nog problemet Smile

Det kan mkt väl vara så att programmen du kollade i rapporterade att vsync var av i direct3d, men CS använder sig ju av OpenGL och man kan ha olika inställningar för dem.



Delreich wrote:
stämmer inte riktigt... eller... de kanske har så många punkter, men de flesta har nog iaf tätare pixlar.

1600x1200 på 19" CRT (18" synligt) = 111 pixlar/tum
1280x960 på 19" CRT = 89 pixlar/tum
1280x960 på 17" CRT (16" synligt?) = 100 pixlar/tum
1024x??? på 17" CRT = 80 pixlar/tum


Sant, my bad. 72 dpi är ett sånt där gammalt magiskt tal som har hängt kvar fast det egentligen inte är tillämpart längre. För helt digitala bilder är dpi överflödigt, det är bara tillämpbart när man ska skriva ut och när man jobbar med program som använder fysiska storlekar, typ Photoshop, Illustrator och Indesign.

När man jobbar med flera program som hanterar fysisk storlek är det viktigt att ha samma dpi när man ska flytta saker mellan dem, och då är det lite standard att använda 72dpi. Man hade dock likaväl kunnat ha 2 eller 4000 (så länge man har samma i alla) eftersom det ändå bara spelar roll när man sen ska skriva ut resultatet.

En skärms maximala dpi är ju dock fortfarande intressant. Sätt upp datorskärmen på maximal upplösning och stirra riktigt noga på en bild. Nog går det urskilja pixlarna om man tittar riktigt noga. För sen över samma bild till en riktigt skarp liten skärm, typ den som Sharp har på sina GX20 och GX30 (mobiltelefoner) och försök se pixlarna. Det är rätt så mkt svårare. Tänk sen en lika liten skärm med fyrdubbel upplösning (640x480) och då har vi något i stil med 300 dpi.

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