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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 15:32 pm    Post subject: Ögonoperation Reply with quote

Hello Smile

Tänkte höra lite här om det är någon som har personliga erfarenheter av att operera bort synfel med laser? Berätta gärna lite om hur det gick till, risker, varför du gjorde det, etc etc. Även bra om någon har några rekommendationer som passar plånboken och säkerheten Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 15:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a few people who have had laser surgery to correct their vision, and most were happy with it. A couple have had the "auras" around light sources and problems with night vision.

I personally wouldnt do it, but there is another surgery type that is more appealing to me. Its safer and reversable. They open your cornea and insert a lense. Basically its like permanent contact lenses. They can be removed and IIRC even changed if your presecription changes again.

I think its all a bit expensive tho, so its nothing Im considering within the near future.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 15:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

min farmor vet jag operarades med lase i ögonen, det som för mig var vitt såg hon nästan som gult, jag antar att det var nån slags starr, men även hennes synfel rättades till och hon ser numera felfritt och har slängt glasögonen Smile

en kolega på ett tidigare jobb vet jag laserbehandlade hans ögon med, kostade dock ganska saftigt med cash, har för mig att de va typ 20000 för varje öga, men han var tokigt nöjd med resultatet, och han hade ett ganska allvarligt synfel innan operationen.

det är nog ganska kostsamt, men dem jag vet som gjort det har varit jättenöjda !

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 16:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[GTI]Zwonka wrote:

det är nog ganska kostsamt, men dem jag vet som gjort det har varit jättenöjda !


Ja, det vet jag. Enligt de sidor jag kikat på så är det ca 20-30k som gäller om du ska ha båda ögonen opererade.

Att tilläggas är väl att i ett sådant här ingrepp så gäller det att inte snåla, hellre ser man ju till att det blir gjort utan risker Surprised

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 16:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shogun wrote:
[GTI]Zwonka wrote:

det är nog ganska kostsamt, men dem jag vet som gjort det har varit jättenöjda !


Ja, det vet jag. Enligt de sidor jag kikat på så är det ca 20-30k som gäller om du ska ha båda ögonen opererade.

Att tilläggas är väl att i ett sådant här ingrepp så gäller det att inte snåla, hellre ser man ju till att det blir gjort utan risker Surprised


Vadå hyr in en kille från någon f.d. sovjetstat, han fixar det säkerligen för en billig peng Razz

Risken är att bli blind eller får sämre syn, hur stor risken är har jag dock ingenaning om. Sedan är det så som Alex tidigare har påpekat att det inte är så billigt, men när det gäller en sådan operation är det som du säger att man gärna trycker in en extra slant för att få det så smärtfritt som möjligt och med ett positivt resultat.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 16:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Är det något jag ska göra när jag har mkt cash över, så är det operera ögonen. Tycker det är jobbigt med linser, men jag använder dem endå, och dessutom passar jag verkligen inte i glasögon. Skulle vara skönt att kunna se, utan hjälp lixom Very HappyVery Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 19:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kort information om photorefractive keratectomy ( PRK)

Operation av ögats hornhinna med hjälp av excimerlaser för att ändra brytförmågan och därigenom kunna korrigera en närsynthet eller astigmatism utfördes för första gången på människa 1986. Metoden är sedan 1995 bl a godkänd av FDA i USA och har i stort antal utförts i de flesta västerländska stater. Vid operationen "hyvlas" inom ett centralt område på hornhinnan bort flera av hornhinnans lager ( epitelet, basalmembranet, Bowman's lager och delar av stromat). Resultatet blir att hornhinnan inom sina centrala delar blir tunnare och antar en mindre toppig form. Härigenom minskar eller försvinner närsyntheten inom det centrala synfältet. Metoden har många fördelar om man jämför den med tidigare använda metoder t ex radiär keratomi.


Potentiella komplikationerna vid PRK är hornhinneärr, skyighet, bländningsbenägenhet, försämrat mörkerseende, smärta, instabil refraktion, under- eller överkorrektion, återkommande hornhinnesår, decentralisering, UVC exposition m m.

Hos så gott som alla opererade uppträder skyighet, ökad bländningsbenägenhet, halofenomen och hornhinneärr under de första 3-6 månader men minskar efterhand de följande 12-18 månaderna. Nedsättningen av hornhinnans "klarhet" visar sig bl a vid nedsatta ljusnivåer och mörker. Också instabil refraktion är vanlig under de första månaderna men kan kvarstå under 1-2 år. Om närsyntheten återkommer kan man operera på nytt. Svårare är om översynthet utvecklas.

Viktigt är att det hyvlade området inte blir decentrerat eller blir för litet i förhållande till pupillen vid minskad belysning. Vissa oregelbundheter i hornhinneytan kan medverka till att försämra bildkvaliteten. Senare tids excimerlaser visar i dessa avseenden bättre resultat. Eftersom vid operationen flera av hornhinnans lager berörs finns möjligheter för eventuella negativa seneffekter t ex i form av keratoconus eller hornhinneerosioner, något som dock har visat sig vara ovanligt.

Flera studier visar att närmare hälften av de opererade upplever bländningsstört mörkerseende första halvåret. Detta brukar efterhand förbättras hos flertalet. Orsaken till bländning och halos ( mångårdar ) inkluderar förutom histologiska förändringar den sk "dubbla pupilleffekten", kvarvarande hornhinneoregelbundenheter, brytningsfel, optiska effekter från "corneal islands" och minskad kontrastkänslighet. Så gott som alla opererade har det första året efter operationen en nedsatt förmåga att skilja på svaga kontraster. Hos några kvarstår denna nedsättning.

Enligt artikel i läkartidningen vol 94 nr 15 1997 uppger Helene Hamberg-Nyström vid St Eriks ögonsjukhus att man ej rekommenderar vissa yrkeskategorier, t ex piloter, behandling med excimerlaser.

Internationellt är i flygsammanhang en stor tvekan att acceptera operation med laser ( och Lasix ) med hänsyn till tjänst som pilot. De i civila sammanhang från 1 juli 1999 gällande

Joint Aviation Rules ( JAR ) accepterar inte det.

Sökande som flygförare i Försvarsmakten skall ha god syn, lägst 1.0 på vardera ögat. Ett stort antal mycket väl lämpade aspiranter finns som uppfyller synkraven. Det finns i dagens läge inget behov av att ändra ögonkraven .

I övriga länder accepteras ej heller aspiranter till militär flygtjänst som flygförare som genomgått refraktiv hornhinnekirurgi.



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Det är inte helt riskfritt hur mycket pengar man än lägger ner på operationerna per öga. Men, men.. vill man så är det bara att tuta och köra!
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