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Dudley Do-Right
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 Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 5:31 am Post subject: Varför? |
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Writing this in English just because my Swedish isn't so good yet and I might say the wrong thing.
I'm getting:
[BANNED] You have been banned from this server.
[BANNED] Reason: http://scoober.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/stats/cheaters.html
[BANNED] Time Left: Permanent.
I played a little yesterday so it's just been done last night it looks like.
I went to that page, and neither my WONID nor my IP is listed, which doesn't surprise me, since I'm pretty sure I've never even connected to that server. If I ever did it was a long time ago. I play on cs8.maffia.dk, exclusively, and I don't cheat. I used to use the nick Dinmormor because I sucked so bad, but I've gotten a little better so I changed it a few days ago. My WONID is 4294967295. Can someone please look into this? |
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Tolle
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Dudley Do-Right
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Hmm thanks for the list, I would never have known.
http://sly.counter-strike.hu/cheat.htm
03/08/2002 00:14:53 Name: csirke Wonid: 4294967295 IP: 62.112.207.228 Cheat: Active Respawn Cheat [counterspec]
03/09/2002 20:51:08 Name: csirke Wonid: 4294967295 IP: 62.112.207.240 Cheat: Active Respawn Cheat [counterspec]
That's my wonid alright, but not a nick I've ever used, not even anywhere close to my IP, and I have no idea what an Active Respawn Cheat is either.
http://unknown1s.recongamer.com/csglist.htm
04/27/2002 18:10:00 Name: killarmy Wonid: 4294967295 IP: 24.200.100.88 Cheat: Exec block detected
Again a nick I've never seen, my wonid, an IP nowhere near mine, and a cheat I've never even heard of.
http://zone.ru/stat/cstat/cheaters.php
Holy crap! 44 Different entries, different names and IPs, all using my wonid?
Guess why? Well I'm a bit of a newb but even I can figure out that my wonid has been stolen somehow... and it looks like this has been going on for several months... but I have no idea how it would happen or what I can do about it.  |
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&Korean_Hap
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| There is only one thing you can do. Put your shoes on and take a walk down to the store and buy a new halflife... It's sucks but I'd bet a lot that that's the only way your getting access to Maffia servers again. |
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Even if I do that, how do I keep this from happening again?
Looking at the sites linked above, it seems my Wonid was being used by others almost from the moment I bought it, maybe even before... |
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&Korean_Hap
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 7:15 am Post subject: |
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The problem is that there are key generators out there and you can never fully protect yourself from them. The only thing you can do is to get a good virus protection for your computer, that will protect your key from beeing stolen from your computer.
And if your religous you can always pray. |
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[GTI]Sallow
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 9:11 am Post subject: |
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If you use any kind of peer to peer sharing program (direct connect, kaaza
and so on) only share a specific folder or you risk theft of such things as cd-
keys for half life. |
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Fairlane
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 9:13 am Post subject: |
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First of all: Is that really your wonid. Tyically a wonid is not that long. 3-8 numbers is more normal. Also, that wonid is not banned here and has not played on cs8 this month according to the logs.
How to get your wonid: http://www.swm.se/viewtopic.php?t=348
Next thing. I don't think there are any working key generators out there. What do exist though is key stealing programs. You run somehtin you think is a fun program you downloaded from somewhere. While showing you some frogs woing something fun in one window, the program in the background steals you CD-key and sends it to a place where the creator of the program can access it. The ways to stop this from happening is:
1. Don't download lots of junk
2. Have an updated anti virus program running
3. Get yourself a personal firewall so you'll see if the cute little program you're running is trying to access the internet (and then block it) |
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Fairlane
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 9:25 am Post subject: |
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I looked into this a bit more and heres the reason I found on the other cheat page:
Smakligtrollsk 3597521 217.208.208.99 1 03/05/03 09:41:08am
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:vmPhl_7RNMsC:www.scoober.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/stats/cheaters.html+wonid+3597521&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8
Now, this looks like you where kicked once from that server, which is runnig VAC (Valve Anti Cheat). If you connect to a server running VAC and you have C-D on your CS will shut of, but I'm not sure if you're being logged for trying to cheat. My experience with VAC is that it's totally useless. Too many errors (ok guys detected as cheaters) and a rotten system not telling the administrator which cheat that was detected. If it had told us that it would be easier to decide if to believe in VAC or not.
I suggest you talk to fossil about this one.
BTW your wonid is: 3597521 |
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&Korean_Hap
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| Fairlane wrote: | | Next thing. I don't think there are any working key generators out there. |
I'm sad to say that you are wrong.... I saw a keygen in action this weekend. It generated wonid's for 10 persons.
Not for me though. I've bought my copy. |
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Dudley Do-Right
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Fairlane,
Thanks so much for your replies.
I followed the instructions on the page to find your wonid, or I thought I did. My swedish sucks it looks like I did it wrong. Thanks for the correction.
I know I was banned from VAC (erroneously, but there doesn't seem to be any recourse when that happens.) That was when I first started playing, several month ago, however. I'm pretty sure I'm unbanned on VAC now, and I didn't think Swedish Maffia cared about VAC anyway. So I guess it's a little confusing to me how being banned months ago from VAC is suddenly a problem on SM, when it never was before, even when the ban was active.
Anyway, thanks for the help... I wonder what I did wrong getting my wonid... I started a local game, connected, did status in the console, and got that number... I guess I must have been looking in the wrong column or something... anyway, thanks for the correction.
I can't log into the server to try and catch fossil, obviously, so I'm assuming when you suggest talking to him you mean I should PM him here? |
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| #Sm @ Qnet |
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Serpent
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| Check your WON id on a Public server, it can be anyone... Just connect to one... |
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Dudley Do-Right
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 17:14 pm Post subject: |
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Well thanks for all the help.
I finally did catch up with fossil, not that it did me any good.
Very hostile guy, maybe he's having a bad day or something, but whatever, it sucks.
Bottom line I'm now permanently banned from SM servers, I didn't do anything wrong but it doesn't matter apparently.
Of course if I was a cheater I'd probably know where to find of those key generators and be playing again instead of writing this.
Good luck to all, hope this never happens to you, and maybe I'll see you on another server sometime. |
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ZtaRDuZT
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 17:52 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Mr Do-Right!
Try to see this from our perspective.
Do you have any idea how many lame excuses we hear daily? My brother did it, my cat did it, the boogeyman did it.
Do you know how many people we ban daily for various reasons, for cheating, bad language, annoying or bad attitude?
Unfortunatley for you, your wonid got caught by VAC, wether or not your ban was a mistake, I don't know.
If we were to unban you we'd have to unban lots of people claming to be mistreated in some way.
They do you know, even when proven wrong or redhanded lying.
If we find a wonid on a cheaterlist we trust, that wonid get's automatic permban on all SM servers and all servers connected to the same ban management system.
What you do with this lesson in mind: Go down to the store and buy yourself a new key, play on Maffia, follow the rules and have fun. We don't use VAC so you won't loose any sleep over that issue here.
With respect: Ztar |
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Dudley Do-Right
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 18:21 pm Post subject: |
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| ZtaRDuZT wrote: | Dear Mr Do-Right!
Try to see this from our perspective.
Do you have any idea how many lame excuses we hear daily? My brother did it, my cat did it, the boogeyman did it. |
I can understand that. Really I can - I've admin'd games, not counterstrike but other public internet games, before, and I know just what you mean.
| Quote: | | Do you know how many people we ban daily for various reasons, for cheating, bad language, annoying or bad attitude? |
No, I don't know how many. But I do know I've been playing for months on your server and you've never had a problem with me cheating, using bad language, or having a ****** attitude. I do feel like maybe that should count for something.
| Quote: | | Unfortunatley for you, your wonid got caught by VAC, wether or not your ban was a mistake, I don't know. |
No you don't know that, and I understand that. You can't just take my word on it because everyone will say the same thing and most of them will be lying, probably.
But it was my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, that SM chose to use CD instead of VAC precisely because VAC is known to have problems with false-positives, among other things? So why suddenly now is SM taking VACs word against someone that's been playing for months without any problems, based in fact on a VAC ban that's long since run it's course anyway? That's what I don't understand. It seems really strange that you ban me based on VAC info when VAC doesn't have a problem with me now - I can play on VAC servers anytime I want.
It also seems very odd that I'm being banned now for this - why not months ago? Why is it only after VAC forgets it, after the server that 'detected' me forgets, only after even the google cache forgets, that suddenly SM discovers this? It really makes me think there's something entirely different going on, I have no idea what, but it sure doesn't seem to make much sense to me the way it's being explained.
| Quote: | | If we were to unban you we'd have to unban lots of people claming to be mistreated in some way. |
You really have lots of people banned purely on the basis of a single VAC 'detection'? I really don't know, but I sort of assumed that you mostly banned people that actually did something wrong on an SM server.
| Quote: | | If we find a wonid on a cheaterlist we trust, that wonid get's automatic permban on all SM servers and all servers connected to the same ban management system. |
I can't find my id on any such list actually, even the google cache posted above is expired... the server that I supposedly tried to cheat on has even forgotten it... and just this morning suddenly SM bans me for it. I do see your point of view, I hope you can see mine too though... this looks very odd.
| Quote: | | What you do with this lesson in mind: Go down to the store and buy yourself a new key, play on Maffia, follow the rules and have fun. |
Did that already, didn't work out so well in the end, although it was certainly fun for awhile.
I guess it's a nice scam for the folks that make half-life, screw up VAC either intentionally or unintentionally enough that there's say maybe a 1 in a million chance each time you connect you get a false positive. Then ban that wonid, make sure there's no way to appeal the bans, and count on the fact most folks will go buy another copy of the game after they whine for awhile... how many times in a year does someone connect to a CS server? That's a heck of a lot of extra sales...
Reminds me of the companies that offer big rebates, but always seem to lose your application so you never get your check from them.
'Screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me.'
So no thanks, I don't do business with companies that treat me like that. If I find another server I enjoy playing on, fine, but hell will be a mighty cold place before I buy another copy of halflife.
If I can't, no big deal, it's just a game, and I need to spend more time outside anyway.
Respect back at you... |
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Serpent
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 18:45 pm Post subject: |
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Really nice guy...
I respect that guy a lot, wellspoken and seems to understand us and all...
Maybe we should discuss this among Admins?
//Serpent. |
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fossil
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 21:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Dudley Do-Right wrote: | I finally did catch up with fossil, not that it did me any good.
Very hostile guy, maybe he's having a bad day or something, but whatever, it sucks. |
Hostile? Too bad you dont know me then. I simply answered your questions and now im hostile.
You better reconcider that statement. |
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ZtaRDuZT
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 21:56 pm Post subject: |
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I've been playing for months on your server and you've never had a problem with me cheating, using bad language, or having a ****** attitude. I do feel like maybe that should count for something.
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You are not the problem, it's your wonid, we can't very vell have a cheater wonid on the server. Every won on a trusted cheaterlist is automatically banned.
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You can't just take my word on it because everyone will say the same thing and most of them will be lying, probably.
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Exactly, you obviously understand our dilemma.
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SM chose to use CD instead of VAC precisely because VAC is known to have problems with false-positives, among other things?
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Yes, among other things. One of those things was that C-D actually worked and scared cheaters away, VAC's performance was questionable, to say the least. When VAC came up with false positives Valve posted this on there web and updated VAC. The admins here at SM were really careful during that period so that no one was banned for the wrong reason. Note that there were some false positives, not so much that alla VAC positives was disregarded and only during short periods.
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It also seems very odd that I'm being banned now for this - why not months ago? Why is it only after VAC forgets it, after the server that 'detected' me forgets
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I look at wonid's randomly, when I die I check for wonid's on Google. VAC and Maffia sureley have different opinions on how to deal with cheaters, we ban for life, VAC don't, I'm sad to say, they should.
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I sort of assumed that you mostly banned people that actually did something wrong on an SM server.
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You assumed correctly, I'm not saying we can't make mistakes but the people we ban are banned because they broke one or more of the rules that we apply at Swedish Maffia. One of those rules is no cheating, and that applies to wonid's we find on trusted cheaterlists.
To round this of. You have been most unfortunate, as Serpent said, this case should, maybe, be discussed amongs admins. We'll see what happens.
It doesn't look good to have a wonid found on cheaterlists playing on the servers, not with the rules we live by, not with so many people banned for the same reason.
You will found out when I do!
*Edit* It's still fossil that is the person to talk to really about this, I'm just trying to make you understand how and why we do things the way we do *Edit* |
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[HVMK]Linedance
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2003 9:33 am Post subject: |
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you never said what your correct wonID is? as i understood it your "real" wonID isn't on any cheaterlists.
hmm. maybe i'm just a bad reader. |
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